.hack//sign

[Subaru Sama]

A topic to speak about the 1st series .hack//sign.

[Sora]

I´ll start...

Which EP you liked most?

I liked Ep 25 most, because there were 2 big symbolic things in this Episode

- With unity we could acheive everything (The Scene where all defeated the Twilight Guardian, the unbeatable Monster)

and

- Everything can start again... (Mahas aromatic grass blooms again) this was one of the scenes that causes many tears to me.

And of course Maha´s dead. He scarficed himself for Tsukasa, because Tsukasa was that one that could bring a new life to "The World", as the Aromatic Grass Blooms again..

Very symbolic and very nice...

[Subaru Sama]

I love the 25 too...

but I think my favorite is the 19 which tells about the past of Subaru, the character I identify the most.:rolleyes: I love the way Subaru and Crim have created the Crimson Knights.:)

[Geist]

I love the episode 11 and 19 most. 19 because of the end with subaru and my favorite song in it (in the land of twilight) and 11, ´cause it´s the only time the party is actually playing "the world" like normal people would do. and the end of this episode is very good too.

[Subaru Sama]

Yes, the ep. 11 is very good for this cooperation between all the main characters. Like in a real MMORPG. Even Tsukasa who is normally totally sad and alone begins to discover happiness.

And I love in the land of twilight under the moon too, it's a great fantasy song. Yuki rules!

[Geist]

Yes, I love the end of 11, when Tsukasa enjoys to be with his friends, and then the real shit begins.

the "remix" episode 14 is also good, when the long scene with tsukasas real life play, along with that amazing "dark" remix of broken wings.

[Subaru Sama]

I think the genius of the director is to have given a new vision of the story in the ep 14. He didn't only make a new edition of the story, he also gave a new dimension and a new meaning to all the events thanks to this new realisation. It is what we can expect from the director of the excellent "Noir".

[Sora]

Do you mean the great Flashback Episode Evidence..

This is Ep 15 not 14.

Ep 14 is Castle, the Episode where Tsukasa dies...

[Subaru Sama]

You're right;)

[Sora]

Does anyboy have teh 9th japanese SIGN DVD?

There is a Special Episode or something Else calles

Soushu-Hen (Evidence) on this DVD?

Does anybody have some information about this?


The only information i own is this. (http://www.cdjapan.co.jp/detailview.html?KEY=BCBA-1207)

[Subaru Sama]

Hey, we buy our dvds and cds on the same website lol!;) :)

Well I'm like you, I don't know anything about this episode... maybe it's the episode also called ".hack//unison" ? (which is in the dvd ".hack//integration" with the 4 ".hack//liminality")... I've seen the ep 27, but I didn't find informations about the 28 anywhere...

The dvds are coming in france at the end of the month, but it will take a lot of time before coming to the 9th dvd...

Maybe we should look it on the US dvd?

[Subaru Sama]

I've done a search and on some forums they say that the 28th episode is ".hack//unison". They don't speak about Evidence... maybe they are the same?

We should ask to Helba about that? lol

[Sora]

Originally posted by Subaru Sama
Hey, we buy our dvds and cds on the same website lol!;) :)

Well I'm like you, I don't know anything about this episode... maybe it's the episode also called ".hack//unison" ? (which is in the dvd ".hack//integration" with the 4 ".hack//liminality")... I've seen the ep 27, but I didn't find informations about the 28 anywhere...

The dvds are coming in france at the end of the month, but it will take a lot of time before coming to the 9th dvd...

Maybe we should look it on the US dvd?

Sorry but...

UNSION came was relased about 6 - 7 months later then this Episode...

EP 27 is Intermezzo aka Another Story...

I think that should be a special...

But on the limited and unlimted US DVDs is not an only "SIGN" of this Episode...



MOM the DVD Features

limited Edition

DVD 1

- Puchiguso Doll
- Infection Demo
- Postcards and Stickers
- TV OST 1
- A VERY COOL COLLECTORS BOX
- A T-Shirt
- DVD EP 1 - 5



DVD 2

- TV OST 2
- DVD EP 6 - 10


DVD 3

- Liminality OST OST PLUS
- DVD EP 11 - 14


DVD 4

- EXTRA OST
- DVD EP 15 - 18


DVD 5

- SLIPCASE for the OST´s
- DVD EP 19 - 22


DVD 6

- DVD EP 23 - 26
- DVD EP 27 - INTERMEZZO
- DVD EP 28 - UNSION


So no Soushu-Hen -.-



- kusou






We should ask to Helba about that? lol

*g*

We should really contact her...

*nyo*

[Subaru Sama]

You're right, I didn't think about the release date... stupid girl! lol

So, like you said, the answer will come with the jap' dvd... or if Helba contact us...

[Subaru Sama]

It could also be an episode like the 15th... in some series, the dvd edition doesn't include the summaries or remix episodes, so, if it's a remix episode, it could be possible that he hasn't been included either in the US dvds nor in the fansubs projects (I think to Wolf's Rain)...

What do you think about that?:rolleyes: :confused:

[Sora]

Originally posted by Subaru Sama
You're right, I didn't think about the release date... stupid girl! lol

So, like you said, the answer will come with the jap' dvd... or if Helba contact us...


Or there is another posssibility...

CD JAPAN may have misspelled sth..

Japanese DVD´s


DVD 1

(01)- 1 episode 1 "Role Play"
(02)- 2 episode 2 "Guardian"

DVD 2

(03)- 1 episode 3 "Folklore (Denshou)"
(04)- 2 episode 4 "Wanted (Shimei Tehai)"
(05)- 3 episode 5 "Captured (Ryoshuu)"

DVD 3

(06)- 1 episode 6 "Encounter"
(07)- 2 episode 7 "Reason"
(08)- 3 episode 8 "Promise"

DVD 4

(09)- 1 episode 9 through 11
(10)- 2 episode 10
(11)- 3 episode 11

DVD 5

(12)- 1 episodes 12 through 14
(13)- 2 episdoe 13
(14)- 3 episode 14

DVD 6

(15)- 1 episode 15 "Depth (Shin-en)"
(16)- 2 episode 16 "Conflict"
(17)- 3 episode 17 "Declaration (Sengen)"

DVD 7

(18)- 1 episode 18 "Recollection (Tsuioku)"
(19)- 2 episode 19 "Tempest (Arashi)"
(20)- 3 episodes 20 "Despair (Zetsubou)"

DVD 8

(21)- 1 episode 21 "Phantom"
(22)- 2 episode 22 "The Eve"
(23)- 3 episode 23 "Net Slum"

DVD 9

(24)- 1 episode 24 "Catastrophe"
(25)- 2 episode 25 "Return (Kikan)" (final episode)
(26)- 3 Bangai-hen(Intermezzo)
(27)- 4 Soushu-hen(Evidence)


From Detph is everything wrong beacuse DEPTH was the 16th Ep..

EP 15 was Evidence...

or maybe they Changed the whole order...

If yes the order should be this...


Episode 1: Role Play
Episode 2: Guardian
Episode 3: Folklore
Episode 4: Wanted
Episode 5: Captured
Episode 6: Encounter
Episode 7: Reason
Episode 8: Promise
Episode 9: Epitaph
Episode 10: Compensation
Episode 11: Party
Episode 12: Entanglement
Episode 13: Twilight Eye
Episode 14: Castle
Episode 15: Depth
Episode 16: Conflict
Episode 17: Declaration
Episode 18: Recollection
Episode 19: Tempest
Episode 20: Despair
Episode 21: Phantom
Episode 22: The Eve
Episode 23: Net Slum
Episode 24: Catastrophe
Episode 25: Return
Episode 26: Intermezzo
Episode 27: Evidence (like a special episode)





The correct order, in that the show was aired on TV should be


Episode 1: Role Play
Episode 2: Guardian
Episode 3: Folklore
Episode 4: Wanted
Episode 5: Captured
Episode 6: Encounter
Episode 7: Reason
Episode 8: Promise
Episode 9: Epitaph
Episode 10: Compensation
Episode 11: Party
Episode 12: Entanglement
Episode 13: Twilight Eye
Episode 14: Castle
Episode 15: Evidence
Episode 16: Depth
Episode 17: Conflict
Episode 18: Declaration
Episode 19: Recollection
Episode 20: Tempest
Episode 21: Despair
Episode 22: Phantom
Episode 23: The Eve
Episode 24: Net Slum
Episode 25: Catastrophe
Episode 26: Return


[Episode 27: Intermezzo
Episode 28: Unsion] - that episodes have never been aired on any TV Station on the whole wide world ^^



This is also a possibility...

I don´t know why they make such a mistake or that there are other possibility... i can only guess..











Originally posted by Subaru Sama
It could also be an episode like the 15th... in some series, the dvd edition doesn't include the summaries or remix episodes, so, if it's a remix episode, it could be possible that he hasn't been included either in the US dvds nor in the fansubs projects (I think to Wolf's Rain)...

What do you think about that?:rolleyes: :confused:


Only the japanese DVD´s have maybe this kind of problem. On the US DVD´s are the Episodes in the correct way (that way, how they were aired ^^)

[Subaru Sama]

Well done Sora! :) It's totally possible, and it joins what i said about the remix episodes which are sometimes not included in the dvds...
I think we're on the right way! ;)

[Subaru Sama]

Here is a comment of a french website which's speaking about the 4th US dvd of .hack :

"NOTE: l'épisode 15, qui est un simple résume des événements qui se sont déroulés jusqu'à présent, n'a pas été inclus dans cette édition DVD. "

It says that the 15th episode, which is a summary of the events, is not included in the dvd. On the site they say the dvd contains episodes 16 through 19... :confused:

So it probably be the fact that they didn't included the ep 15 in the japanese edition, and so they placed a 28th episode instead in the last dvd...:rolleyes: :confused:

I think we have understood the origin of the problem... :rolleyes: :) (morality : buy the US dvds, and I hope the french edition will follow the US one lol ;) )

[Sora]

Originally posted by Subaru Sama
Here is a comment of a french website which's speaking about the 4th US dvd of .hack :

"NOTE: l'épisode 15, qui est un simple résume des événements qui se sont déroulés jusqu'à présent, n'a pas été inclus dans cette édition DVD. "

It says that the 15th episode, which is a summary of the events, is not included in the dvd. On the site they say the dvd contains episodes 16 through 19... :confused:

So it probably be the fact that they didn't included the ep 15 in the japanese edition, and so they placed a 28th episode instead in the last dvd...:rolleyes: :confused:

I think we have understood the origin of the problem... :rolleyes: :) (morality : buy the US dvds, and I hope the french edition will follow the US one lol ;) )



The time will answer this question...

I´ve found on a Shop the back cover of the DVD

http://www.joysjapanimation.com/videos/images/hacksign01dvdb.jpg

http://www.joysjapanimation.com/videos/images/hacksign02dvdb.jpg

http://www.joysjapanimation.com/videos/images/hacksign03dvdb.jpg

http://www.joysjapanimation.com/videos/images/hacksign04dvdb.jpg

http://www.joysjapanimation.com/videos/images%20h/hacksign05dvdltdb.jpg


It seems that the US DVD has EP 15 really on the 4th DVD...

Because Unsion and Intermezzo are on the Limited Edition of the 6th DVd.. and the normal DVD contains onyl EP 23-26

*sigh*

But i can´t tell for sure until i´ll get it, and that will take some time...

[Subaru Sama]

Yes, it's odd... but as you say time will bring us the answer.
:rolleyes: :cool:

[Geist]

My fansub contains 26 episode, and the last one is "Return", so I guess you´re right with the remix episode. Could anyone please tell me what intermezzo is about (without great spoilers of course ;-) )

[rax]

Originally posted by Geist
My fansub contains 26 episode, and the last one is "Return", so I guess you´re right with the remix episode. Could anyone please tell me what intermezzo is about (without great spoilers of course ;-) )

Intermezzo can be considered a stand alone episode. It doesn't deal much with the storyline of SIGN.

The ep basically tells the story of a player character (and her player/s) who looks like Gardenia (Female blonde Long Arm). Mimiru also has a connection with this player character and is the narrator in this episode.
It's a very nice episode since it shows the connection between RL and the game very well.


Does anyone know if GIFT is going to get a R1 release? That episode was pretty funny :)


Also, what about a PAL release of SIGN? I don't like to support american companys, so I prefer local releases. A german fansuber told me that Atari holds some kind of pre-license on SIGN and is looking for a local dvd company to cooperate with the release of the series. That's probably the case for most european countrys, not just for germany.

[Subaru Sama]

I don't know for the German edition, but the French Edition is coming at the end of the month and is published by Beez ( = Bandai France).

[rax]

Originally posted by Subaru Sama
I don't know for the German edition, but the French Edition is coming at the end of the month and is published by Beez ( = Bandai France).

Yeah, france is quite ahead of germany AND the US from what I know. I guess it's just a matter of time until SIGN comes to the other european countrys though. It's just a matter of months or years :P

[Subaru Sama]

I hope for you it will be a matter of months or even weeks ;)

[The-One]

So talking about the order of the episode?

hmmmm......hack//sign 1-26
episode 27 intermezzo
episode 28 unison
and a special more^^ (don't know if you guys want to call it a episode or not since I don't) .Hack gift^^

[Sora]

Originally posted by The-One
So talking about the order of the episode?

hmmmm......hack//sign 1-26
episode 27 intermezzo
episode 28 unison
and a special more^^ (don't know if you guys want to call it a episode or not since I don't) .Hack gift^^

GIFT was relased months before Unsion ^^

[Subaru Sama]

In all ways Unison is the last of sign cause it is a cross-over between the characters of the series and of the games. It's a sort of epilogue for sign and liminality series.

[Sora]

Originally posted by Subaru Sama
In all ways Unison is the last of sign cause it is a cross-over between the characters of the series and of the games. It's a sort of epilogue for sign and liminality series.

And a very good Last-Episode.. too ^^

[Subaru Sama]

Yes, of course ^^ I love epilogues, so when it's the epilogue of .hack ... :)

[The-One]

I love epiloges too since they tell me what happened after the last episode. Even if ppl say it's some stupid thing to do but for me it's reassuring if there a epilog telling me that it ended good^^.

After seeing many animes I hate a end where a great anime just end in the last 3 minuts and you go "Huh? What! Was is the end?" after seeing it.

Thats why epilog is good way to tell ppl see it ended good^^
and I don't care if it is a extra episode, the last episode or a ova telling the epilog^^

[rax]

Originally posted by The-One
I love epiloges too since they tell me what happened after the last episode. Even if ppl say it's some stupid thing to do but for me it's reassuring if there a epilog telling me that it ended good^^.

After seeing many animes I hate a end where a great anime just end in the last 3 minuts and you go "Huh? What! Was is the end?" after seeing it.

Thats why epilog is good way to tell ppl see it ended good^^
and I don't care if it is a extra episode, the last episode or a ova telling the epilog^^


Although SIGN was an awesome anime, it was imo just a prologe to the 4 games. So of course, they never intended to end SIGN on ep 26 and left some more or less important things open for the games. But I like that in the end they went back to an anime version of the epiloge, this really strengthens the multimedia aspect of the franchise.

If you want to know more about what happened to the SIGN characters (IRL and Ingame) then you should check out the novel "ZERO" when it becomes available. I heard this novels deals with the SIGN characters to some degree...
I SO wanna read that myself..^^

And btw the problem with most animes today is that theyre based on mangas which didn't even end yet, so the authors either have to make an ending up (X TV, SDK...) or just leave it open (Ai Yori Aoshi, Fruits Basket,...). I don't like that :/

[Subaru Sama]

i think the ending of sign is great for the series, but for me the best end i've ever seen was of course the one of evangelion...
But i love the end of sign, and after all, it's not an end, juste a beginning, cause the world goes on!

[The-One]

yeah the world goes on and thats the great thing I like about .Hack//sign....the end and the start of the anime can be connected like a ring if you let a person see the last half of the last episode and the first they wouldn't know that they saw the last episode first^^

The thing that happens to Sora in the end could the same thing that happened to tsukasa when he played the game^^
You aren't allowed to be too cocky in The World lol

[Subaru Sama]

You're right. :) A great thing in this series is that it's an infinite universe, and the stories don't know any limits... even if we come to the max level, there will always be a thing to do...

It's here the second point which I love in .hack//sign ... The way the story shows us the behaviours of the characters in the game and in IRL; the way they act, and the problems they know. It's very close to the reality. I mean, on the net community exist guys like Crim for example who have made the "mistake" to merge real life and virtual life, on the net community exists persons like BT who are searching a better way to live in games, etc etc. Sign use that with a great dexterity. For the characters are all "simples", I mean, they are very close to us, we can identify easily to one of them, and it's may be because of this simplicity of the characters (when i say simplicity, i mean that their behaviours are close to ours) that hack//sign is so beautiful...:)

[Sora]

Originally posted by Subaru Sama
You're right. :) A great thing in this series is that it's an infinite universe, and the stories don't know any limits... even if we come to the max level, there will always be a thing to do...

It's here the second point which I love in .hack//sign ... The way the story shows us the behaviours of the characters in the game and in IRL; the way they act, and the problems they know. It's very close to the reality. I mean, on the net community exist guys like Crim for example who have made the "mistake" to merge real life and virtual life, on the net community exists persons like BT who are searching a better way to live in games, etc etc. Sign use that with a great dexterity. For the characters are all "simples", I mean, they are very close to us, we can identify easily to one of them, and it's may be because of this simplicity of the characters (when i say simplicity, i mean that their behaviours are close to ours) that hack//sign is so beautiful...:)


I trully agree and don´t forget the symbolism in .hack//SIGN.. You´ll find very nice things.. especially in Ep 25 and 26..

for an example:

- Mahas self-sacrifice
- The destruction of the guardian
- Sora´s crucifixion *sigh*

[Subaru Sama]

The sacrifice of Maha is very beautiful... I hated this character at the beginnig of the anime, maybe 'cause he was hard with Tsukasa. But it changed with the aparition of Morganna, and the rebellion of Maha against her is one of the best moments in the series i think.:rolleyes:

[Sora]

@Suabru:

This was the scene where i couldn´t stop my tears..

so sad but otherwise so beautiful..





@all:

I have a good information for you.

.hack//GIFT is on the 4th Game : .hack//Zettai Houi (american titel: .hack//Quarantine)

[Geist]

.hack//GIFT is on the 4th Game : .hack//Zettai Houi (american titel: .hack//Quarantine)

very good indeed. so I guess it´s time for me to play part 3.

[Subaru Sama]

A good news, I'm impatient to finally have the games!
I like a lot gift, it's totally stupid and delirious, and also it's a good parody of the series (like Crim and Sora who are always fighting for nothing, or also Ginkan and Subaru :D ) And Balmung who is totally depressed, terrible!:D

[Sora]

Originally posted by Subaru Sama
A good news, I'm impatient to finally have the games!
I like a lot gift, it's totally stupid and delirious, and also it's a good parody of the series (like Crim and Sora who are always fighting for nothing, or also Ginkan and Subaru :D ) And Balmung who is totally depressed, terrible!:D

I liked this quotos at most..


Subaru: "KONO!! RENTAL-VIDEO SANJU-SAI"
Ginkan: "SU--SUBARU-SAMA"


^^°°

and of course the fight Sora VS Crim..

HEHE I WON THIS TIME... AGAINST THAT ANNOYING GUY...


SORA-KICK !!!

^^

[Subaru Sama]

:D :D Yes, okay, you won... only for this time! :p

But I love the way they've drawn Crim, with sunglasses! Terrible (it's right, in SIGN, we easily can imagine him with that... :D:p ).

And I love the moment when Subaru kick Ginkan out of the boat, it makes me laugh a lot :D

[rax]

There are some news surfacing about the german release of //SIGN .

The first (and most reliable) is that the german dvd label ACOG aka OVA Films picked up the license of SIGN and plans a DVD release this year.

The second and IMO less reliable news is that TV station RTL2 wants to pick up SIGN and air it in may. I think this is less reliable because it came from a playstation magazine I don't know or read (PlayThePlaystation). Also, SIGN is by far not the kind of series RTL2 would pick up. It airs most of the "kids" shows like Pokemon, Digimon, Yugioh, One Piece and dbz, and all of these from monday to friday. Maybe rtl2 tries to build up their reputation and add a "mature" anime block to their shedule, but I doubt that, really.


EDIT 1. March 2004:
SIGN has been confirmed to be released by ACOG. The DVDs will have Japanese as well as German dub and german subtitles. 7 dvds are scheduled for all 26 eps (but what about 27 and 28?). The first DVD is scheduled for April 2004.

The news about RTL2 screening SIGN have not yet been confirmed, and I doubt they will. Since 2003 many titles that have been licensed by ACOG aired on german music tv station VIVA (like X TV, Hellsing, Angel Sanctuary, Blue Submarine No. 6, CFG, Aika, Arjuna and soon Najica and Noir). So I guess SIGN is going to air on VIVA as well after Noir, Najica or Arjuna have finished their run.

[The-One]

The-One walks around in The World after soooo long time and quotes Crim; "It's been too long. At last, I'm back!"

Sorry about the delay guys and goddess (only Subaru Sama)

To gain your forgiveness I'll give you the goody good news I got when I bought the limited edition of .hack//sign volume 6^^ yeah got mine today^^ Mvuahahahahaha (No ppl I'm not crazy just insane)

Hehehehehehe guess what?!?! It contains episodes 23-25 and 2 bonus episodes.......well mine contains a bonus cd with another episode^^

The first 2 bonus episodes are "Intermezzo" and the second are "Evidence"......yeah Sora, that closes teh whole conversation about "where is The Evidence episode", sorry but I thought it would be best if I said it since you mentioned the "gift will be in game number 4" message.

The second disk "contains a brand new bonus episode!" (lol couldn't resist it but thats what it says^^ .......ehh.....what did you say....yeah it's Unison :p Sooo that does make it to 1-28 episodes in total^^ and gift in the games

Well thats all the news from me on this topic^^ this time
Hope you forgive me!!!

The-One see Skeith in the horizon and runs after it saying......."ohhhhh something to kill^^ join me Sora. I dare you."

[Kaydron]

Damn i really need a boot chip in my ps2.... I'm so sad because you can only get Limited editions in region 1.... :(

[The-One]

yeah but most dvd player can play region 1^^ well mine can play all regions so yuor should too if you got a dvd player^^

You can buy one for 400 krs (about 66 dollars) nowadays^^ so I think you can effort it^^

......and I need ps3 with modchip in^^ but still have to wait a year^^ (I don't got ps2 at home soo I'll be renting it when the game comes out)