Comparing Shinji and Tsukasa

[tenshi_a]

Hello,

I decided I'd like to compare Tsukasa from .hack//SIGN and Shinji from Evangelion. This thread is for people who have seen all of both series, and reading the BBS thread it looks like that's a few of us...

So...

Comparison from Shinji to Tsukasa (at the start of the series). I think it's valid to compare them 'cos they have similar traits, and the character designs were originally by the same guy (whose name I can't remember right now. Yoshiki Sadamoto? Something like that...), so they look similar. They both have a desire to be loved and accepted, neither of them get on with other people particularly well, and both of them run away (or teleport away!) a lot. Oh and their fathers both really treat them badly!

I like Shinji better. Shinji had a good quality about him, and that is that he never, above all else, never ever wanted to hurt another person. It was like he had a great fear of it. He might strangle Asuka, but that's a form of contact in a way. And was also out of desperation. Tsukasa doesn't have that. Tsukasa's been treated very badly in the past (although it's unremembered), and will retaliate to human contact in order to stop being hurt.

The big dumbell-monster can be compared to the Eva-01 in this way. Both of them use their "monster", both of them hate it when it goes "beserk" and kills other people. Tsukasa would use a monster to attack another person, if it was in control. That's the most fundamental difference between them.

Oh, also...

Does anyone else think that Saiga Mitsuki as Tsukasa was imitating Megumi Ogata as Shinji, in the first few episodes of .hack//SIGN? I think so. I mean, how Tsukasa started off like Shinji, kind of, the first few episodes you'd get scenes like... Tsukasa enters the room. Vocal sound effects: "Khhuh. Hykk! [intake of breath], hhkk.."

And it's really in the same style as Shinji. I can't think of other characters who'd do the same thing.

Incidentally, Saiga Mitsuki took over one of Megumi Ogata's roles, in the Armitage III movie; Julian Moore. It's a totally flawless impersonation!

(the other reason I like Japanese versions better than US releases is because I see no value in dubs 'cos I really like the original Japanese voice recordings, and the seiyuu. They're really talented!)

Anyone think the same? Anyone totally disagree? ^_^

[The-One]

First I totally agree with you that Japanese voice versions are better then usa versions^^ I think everyone who seens both would agree to that. I personally wouldn't buy anime from usa paying the dobbelt to get a version where you get a american dub then rather get the fansub and leave it there^^

Does anyone else think that Saiga Mitsuki as Tsukasa was imitating Megumi Ogata as Shinji, in the first few episodes of .hack//SIGN? I think so. I mean, how Tsukasa started off like Shinji, kind of, the first few episodes you'd get scenes like... Tsukasa enters the room. Vocal sound effects: "Khhuh. Hykk! [intake of breath], hhkk.." .......... hmmmm.... didn't noticed that.

Yeah it's Yoshiki Sadamoto who did both designs!

about Shinji and Tsukasa......you are right in most of it but then again Shinji had a life with some relatives where Tsukasa lived with his father and had a cruel life. So Shinji got no reason to fight (only to get accepted buy his father that is) but Tsukasa fights with the guardian cuz thats what he learned from home to solve problems and unleash anger by hurting others.

lol you are quite right in that they runs a lot^^ lol and they have the desire to love, to be accepted and don't have a good relationship with others^^

I like Tsukasa a lot better than Shinji (I think I mentioned before whu I don't like eva as must as hack). Where Shinji only gets hurt and hurt in nearly every episode in the last part and got the last 5 minuts in the last episode to make a stand and save teh world so we get a happy end, we see Tsukasa do it before first after the guardian episode adn then after the his lynch episode^^

I like it cuz you see the devolopment of the character more in hack then in Eva.....the same with Kira from Gundam Seed.....he get the upside-down rutine as well but accepts it and find his place ind the world where Shinji goes...."hmmmm.....there is pain in the world but hope too"

It's not that I hate Eva^^ I like Eva alot! it's great anime but there is something missing if you ask for my opinion (it should have been a 36 episode instead of a 26 episode anime or at least have some ova)

oh yeah Tenshi_a; could you try telling me what the last minut was about in Eva; Shinji strangles Asuka while she says....; "I'm sick"......I just went huh? there haven't understood it yet, hope you can help me with that^^

[tenshi_a]

oh yeah Tenshi_a; could you try telling me what the last minut was about in Eva; Shinji strangles Asuka while she says....; "I'm sick"......I just went huh? there haven't understood it yet, hope you can help me with that^^


Um... I dunno if there's any point in me explaining what I think, because I'm not going to help you understand it, in that, I think it depends on what you want to get out of it.

The end of Eva.. I feel, is a very uplifting film. I don't know why. Most people find it really depressing - all the death, end of the world and such, but I don't. I guess I'm a crazy person.

What happened at the end is that the angels (Kaoru, Rei) offered humanity (represented by Shinji), a world without rejection. Without hurt. Without the pain of loss. All he has to give up is his individuality, and merge with everyone else (as soup). Everyone turns into soup while caught between fear (those fields of absolute terror) and love or acceptance of another person, if you watch closely. For once in his lifetime, Shinji fights. He had a deathwish going only a few moments before, wanted everyone to die, and now he's fighting. For something *more than his life*. And for once, he's calm. He rejects intrumentality. He rejects the concept of a world without rejection. In a way, he rejects heaven for earth.

And at the end...

In the end, Shinji is a human being.

We don't know what happened to Asuka. She was messed up, and then fought the eva series, got chewed and torn and ripped to pieces.... then she turns up, not soup, all bandaged up, on a beach, with Shinji.

Well, she's probably bandaged up because *it'd be really grim to see afterwards*. But honestly we don't know what happened to her. To come back from being soup she must have also fought for her individuality...

He strangles her. He's got a lot of mixed emotions and they spill over (perhaps it's thankful he's not spilling over like he did at her comatose bedside!) and that's how they manefest. There's nothing to say, and this is his genuine moment of contact. She responds by touching his cheek. And he breaks down. Along with his genuine tears. It's clear they are separate people. It's clear they are individuals... but to Asuka... they've come back after all this and this is her first moment of contact. With the only human alive in human form.

I dunno if she says she's sick, so much as she says what she's feeling is bad. Not like "I've got a bad feeling about this", but she's pretty much disgusted.

They've come back to being human beings. But is that such an achievement? Back to the fragile, flawed, pitiful reality of the human. It's not beautiful. But it's human.

-=the end=-

That's my interpretation of the end of Eva... ^_^ Make any sense to you?

[um.. and what BBS was I on now?]

[ai-kun]

They've come back to being human beings. But is that such an achievement? Back to the fragile, flawed, pitiful reality of the human. It's not beautiful. But it's human.

Yes, it's a big achievement. Most of all that when they are still human you can still learn in your own way instead of being taught or be living as one.
What I think happend in the end is that there still are humans but just not in human form. What Rei and Kaoru did was not emergin as a soup but getting together, everyone became a soul. The souls of the humans live together along with the angels as the angels are humans too. And when the time comes humans will be walking the earth again, as an new era, new times, but still the same things that was there before. That's why trying to be one is meaningless. The SEELE was right but still wrong. They did it in the wrong way.
Ones should not punish the inocent, they don't posess that kind of power even if it's for a good cause.

[Izzy]

I watch Evangelion..but not the other lol, whats the other one like then?

[ai-kun]

Other one? You meen .hack//SIGN? Well, I think it's great even though people complain that it is slow. It's about a guy (originaly a girl) who is traped inside a game. He can't log out and mysterious things happen.

But if you want a review of that you should go to some site... my suggestion is:

http://www.animenfo.com

...Crap .. everytime I post anything it always seem to include somekind of an adress somewhere... *sighs* .. Well the more adresses the more you'll learn ;)

[SpiderVirus]

Instead of comparing Shinji and Tsukasa, did you know that Elk and Tsukasa are the same models, just different personalities and colours

[tenshi_a]

Yeah, they're both played by Saiga Mitsugi too. Got any aromatic grass? [that is *such* a dodgy question...]

[ai-kun]

Ohh.. I had that kind of feeling... but wasn't sure :). They're so intense and "knows" each other even though they haven't meet..

[Rigsta]

All I can say is.... eeeeeeew, Evangelion.

Shinji never ceased to annoy me, but I liked Tsukasa after a while :)